Muslims In Pakistan Murder Five Christians, Set Churches Afire
From Compass News Direct:
Suspected Islamists Shoot Five Christians to Death in Pakistan
Christians meeting at their church building to discuss security concerns over Islamist threats were sprayed with gunfire as they came out.
Muslim extremist groups had threatened church for two years.
SUKKUR, Pakistan, July 29 (CDN) — A dozen masked men shot five Christians to death as they came out of their church building here on July 15, two months after a banned Islamic extremist group sent church leaders a threatening letter, relatives said.
Pastor Aaron John and church members Rohail Bhatti, Salman John, Abid Gill and Shamin Mall of Full Gospel Church were leaving the church building after meeting to discuss security in light of the threats they had received, said the pastor’s son, Shahid John.
“As we came out of the church, a group of a dozen armed gunmen came and opened fire at us,” said Shahid John, who survived a bullet in his arm. “Fear struck the area. The police arrived 45 minutes after the incident, and we waited for over 45 minutes for the ambulance to arrive.”
Besides Shahid John, five others were wounded in the attack.
In May church leaders received a letter from Islamic extremist group Sip-e-Sahaba (formerly Sipah-e-Sahaba until it was banned) warning the Christians to leave the area, said Kiran Rohail, wife of the slain Rohail Bhatti.
“It said to vacate the land, Christians are not welcomed here, they are polluting our land,” Kiran Rohail said.
The Sip-e-Sahaba and Sunni Tehrik extremist groups are both linked with an area madrassa (Islamic school) whose students had been threatening the church since 2008, Christian sources said.
“In 2008 a group of Muslim students started making threats for the church to vacate the land, as there are only 55 Christian families living in the area,” said the pastor’s widow, Naila John, who also lost her son Salman John in the attack.
The masked gunmen of July 15 had young physiques like those of students, Christian sources said, and their manner of attack indicated they were trained extremists.
The madrassa students that have threatened the church since 2008 belong to the Sunni Tehrik extremist group, the sources said.
Pastor John and Bhatti had reported the threats of the past two years to police, but officers at the local station did not take them seriously, said Naila John.
When they received the threatening letter in May, Pastor John, his son Salman, Bhatti, Gill, Mall and another member of the church, Arif Gill, went to the police station to register a First Information Report (FIR), according to Shahid John.
“Police just took the application but didn’t register the FIR,” he said. “The station house officer just provided two police constables for security.”
On the evening of July 15, the pastor called a meeting to discuss needed security measures, his widow Naila John said. The meeting ended around 7:30 p.m., when they left the building and were sprayed with gunfire.
“No FIR has been registered due to the pressure from the local Islamic groups,” said Kiran Rohail, referring to Sunni Tehrik, Sip-e-Sahaba and the local mosque. “The police came and took our statements, but they didn’t show up again.”
An independent government source confirmed the shooting deaths of the Christians, adding that local Islamist pressure had prevented media from reporting on it.
The church began in 1988, and Pastor John had been leading it since 2001.
Sukkur, in southwest Pakistan’s Sindh Province, has been the site of previous violence against Christians. Last June or July, area Christians said, students from the local madrassa beat Pastor Adnan John of Multan, severely injuring him, after they saw him walking in front of the mosque wearing a cross and holding a Bible. In another instance, the Muslim students prevented Christian students from holding a Christmas program at a park.
In 2006, some 500 Muslims burned down two churches in Sukkur and a convent school on Feb. 19, reportedly over rumors that a Christian threw a copy of the Quran into a trash can. A crowd wielding gasoline bombs torched St. Mary’s Catholic Church and St. Savior’s Church of Pakistan after media and government sources floated the rumor, but local sources said the violence occurred after a Muslim was arrested for burning pages of the Quran and trying to frame his Christian father-in-law, Saleem Gill, with the deed.
After torching the inside of St. Savior’s, the mob turned on Pastor Ilyas Saeed Masih’s home, then went five minutes away to destroy the 120-year-old St. Mary’s edifice.
Some Muslim leaders in America deny that there are any threats to the lives and safety of Muslims who decide to leave Islam. It is as though they have no role to play in changing the status quo of tyranny of Islam. Muslim groups who call themselves ‘moderate’ are strangely silent about the persecution, torture, killing and imprisonment of apostates, women and non-Muslims all over the Muslim world. All they seem to care about is to pacify the American public and convince them that Islam is a religion of peace, while hiding from view the fact that 1.2 billion Muslims are living in the tyranny of Sharia Islamic law, and how that tyranny is creeping into the West.
Whenever asked about what is happening in the Muslim world and its tragic impact on the West, they accuse those who question of being Islamophobes who need sensitivity training. What they say is: “we believe that Islam is a religion of peace and thus you too must believe the same, and never mind what your guts tell you or what is happening to your country from Islamic invasion”. They want us to disregard those who issue fatwas of death against Western politicians such as Geert Wilders, cartoonists, film makers, apostates and practically any one who dares ask the difficult questions Islam refuses to answer since its inception.
On Nov. 19, 2009 Sheila Musaji, editor of The American Muslim, wrote an article attacking Former Muslims United (FMU). Ms. Musaji stated “This FMU pledge is simply another attempt to create propaganda. Thus, she [Darwish] planted the idea that American Muslims have not taken a position against punishments for apostasy and attempted to make it seem as if only former Muslims can stand for what is right, and frankly to attempt to increase the visibility of the FMU at the expense of the Muslim community. This is shameful behavior (although typical of members of this group who go beyond denouncing Islamic radicalism to denouncing all of Islam) and is simply another example of attempting to marginalize the Muslim community."
FMU sent over 165 letters (Muslim Pledge for Religious Freedom and Safety from Harm for Former Muslims) to various Muslim leaders in America. We needed their support and for them to prove how dedicated they are in reforming the radicals whom they believe are not true Muslims. The pledge states that they repudiate the laws and commandments that condemn apostates to death and discrimination under Islam.
But unfortunately, Muslim groups operating in America have not signed our plea letter or even responded. Only two Muslim reformists signed the pledge, Dr. M. Zhudi Jasser of the American Forum for Islam and Democracy and Dr. Ali Alyami of the Center for Human Rights and Democracy.
On September 24, 2009 however, two days after we mailed our pledges, Musaji wrote an article stating that “We live in a country where such freedom (of religion) is a foundational principle and must be defended. We must continue to insist on the Islamic principle that there is 'no compulsion in religion.'” Musaji is an educated Muslim and she must be fully aware that the “no compulsion in religion” verses have been abrogated by all the learned Imams of Islam who wrote the Sharia and who found commandments in Koran and Hadith to kill apostates. She posted a list of a few peaceful verses in the Koran while willfully ignoring the majority of Islamic scriptures stating otherwise.
Muslim apologists often speak from both sides of their mouths. On the one hand, they assure Americans that Islam has nothing in it that condemns apostates to death. On the other hand, they state that announcing publicly that one has left Islam and stating the reasons for leaving, are grounds for charges of treason. After world condemnation of Islamic tyranny, many Muslim countries are working around the law of apostasy by still killing apostates but for a different stated reason. If a Muslim declares publicly that he has left Islam and why, that in itself is considered treason, and thus governments can arrest apostates, torture, imprison and kill him, but they officially state that it is due to treason, as if the person had committed espionage or some other crime against national security. As long as a Muslim keeps silent about his apostasy and acts as a Muslim, he is left alone. But the minute he or she starts attending a church all Hell breaks loose. They are arrested for disturbing the peace, causing ‘Fitna’ (chaos) divisions and treason; that is the modern way of killing apostates inside Egypt today.
The only religion on earth that has multiple answers to every question is Islam. If you ask a Catholic what is the Vatican position on abortion, the answer is clear, even if they disagree with the Vatican, they will say that Catholicism does not allow abortion. But Muslims in America seem to teach, at least temporarily, religious principles that stand in stark contradiction with the core ideology of Islam. Such lies about what Islam is have worked in favor of Muslim expansion. This confusion and double talk in Islam works well in silencing others.
Musaji tells her community “we need to deal with the issue of apostasy within our community.” She tries to convince us that this issue is just a small community matter but ignores the true source of the problem which is: 45 Muslim countries around the world who legally state that Sharia law supercedes any other law. She has never stated unequivocally that she condemns any laws in Islam that state that apostates must be killed. She was very careful in how she words her objections to killing apostates. From her writing you can tell she is trying to have it both ways, not openly objecting to Islamic law while still trying to tell America she is for freedom of religion. Apparently her seemingly more tolerant views are a form of adaptation to American law until her dream of Islamizing America is accomplished and the ugly reality of Sharia will be the law.
On her website, Musaji has a map of the USA with Arabic Islamic “in the name of Allah” pasted on the center of the map, the same as the Saudi flag. This speaks for itself as to the true goals of Islam in America.
Nonie Darwish, human rights activist, author of “Now They Call Me Infidel” and “Cruel and Usual Punishment, ” is President of Former Muslims United.
Revival: Memorials and the Gate to the Human Heart
by Thomas J. Scheff (August 2010)
It is our sorrow. Shall it melt? Then water
Would gush, flush, green these mountains and these valleys,
And we rebuild our cities, not dream of islands.
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English National Alliance return to Downing Street
Readers may recall that on 22nd May a march of English Patriots handed in a letter to the Prime Ministers Office appealing for, amongst other things, an amendment to the Arbitration Act 1996 to abolish the clause that has allowed 85 or more Sharia Courts to set up in England and which deny Muslim women their full rights under English Common Law.
If the reply was not satisfactory they vowed to visit No 10 again. The reply when it came was from an official of the Ministry of Justice and was the standard ‘fob off’ letter of that department. Believe me, I recognise it!
So today English Patriots returned to Whitehall. I got there early to have a look around and about. A counter protest was expected and I had heard that this would be contained in the usual space the other side of Parliament Street opposite Downing Street. When I got there I could hear Christian hymns and Gospel Music. It was a rally of the Bengali Christian Fellowship, Pakistani Christians, including the British Pakistani Christian Association, and a Sikh organisation calling for a end to the persecution of Christians and minorities in Pakistan. Their key speaker was Bishop Michael Nazir Ali (I didn’t catch the name of the other Bishop present) His speech was in Urdu so I can’t tell you what he said. They too had handed a petition into Downing Street.
Pompey Dave and a couple of the men from MfE spoke to Bishop Michael afterwards. I can report that he is well and since his retirement from the see of Rochester is working on an international education project in Nigeria, Egypt and elsewhere.
I then went to see the ENA march form up outside the Old Star Pub (where I had my farewell drink the night I retired – this was slightly noisier) then returned to Whitehall where some Free Palestine and Class War protesters were gathering in the space so recently vacated by the Bengali and Pakistani Christians.
The march entered Parliament Street from Parliament Square where the men and women of MfE joined them. We stopped at Downing Street and the second letter was handed in.
A few of the Pakistani Christians decided to join the march in order to learn more about this effort in England in the fight against Sharia and jihad. I spoke in particular to two brothers, from a Catholic family about the prejudice their fellow Christians experienced in Pakistan, and in England including the threat of death for their continued refusal to convert to Islam. They believe England will be unrecognisable in 10 years.
There was a lot of jeering from the Pro Palestinians who decided to follow the march down Whitehall on the other side of the road. The police made sure they stayed on the pavement and away from the barrier. At some point before Trafalgar Square they beat a retreat while the march skirted Trafalgar Square and made its way to the steps below the Duke of York monument in Waterloo Place for speeches.
Michael Johnson spoke. He told us that the English are 3/5ths of the United Kingdom and that we must come together. Today we are various English organisations, March for England, English Shieldwall and the English Defence League.
He spoke of Richard the Lionheart. He emphasised that the fight is not against the majority of Muslim people but against those who care nothing for their Muslim brothers but whose only care is to create an Islamic state. We cannot allow this.
Michael has promised to send me a full copy of the speech later and I also have the press release to study. The rally ended and various groups made their way for refreshment. As well as old friends I was glad to meet in person members of the LGBT and Jewish Divisions. Who included Zeus, who has the coldest wettest nose in any division of the EDL.
A final untoward incident before I left. Some young men appeared about to attack some members of MfE and/or EDL who were standing with their drinks outside a pub, insisting that ‘You are all Nazi racist scum’. The police ushered them further down Whitehall to a chorus of ‘Cheerio, cheerio, cheerio’.
Following the advice received from the two brothers I have looked up the website of the British Pakistani Christian Association. The protest should have been covered by Premier Radio the Christian Station.
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This place, though, can be existentially stressful because it’s so fiercely contested. I felt this acutely when roaming around the West Bank the other day with Dror Etkes, but even Tel Aviv—which is deep within Israel proper—is up for grabs according to some.
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Michael Totten reports frequently from the Middle East and other Muslim areas.
How can he, at this point, express any surprise at all to the notion that "even Tel Aviv" is "up for grabs," as he puts it, "according to some"?
Those "some" include all those who take Islam seriously. Does Michael Totten have any evidence to suggest that those who take Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira to heart desire only to have Israel within the ridiculous 1949 Armistice Lines -- which is the accurate way of describing the demand for "the 1967 pre-war borders" which the Arabs themselves never recognized as "borders."
Does MIchael Totten at this point not know that Israel's borders or armistice lines, Israel's size, does not matter, that the Infidel nation-state of Israel must cease to exist, and that the only real quarrel is over tactics and timing, between the Fast Jihadists of Hamas and the Slow Jihadists of Fatah?:
He still hasn't sunk beneath the surfrace of Islam, still has not discovered what cannot be seen, and thus reported easily on , but is in the minds of men, and can be detected by long familiarity with the texts of Islam, the Muslim and Western scholars of those texts, and of other elements that contribute to the mental makeup of Muslims, and Western historians of the history of Islamic conquest over the past 1350 years? Has he not been reading Bassam Tibi or Antoine Fattal or Majid Khadduri (especially the latter, on the significance of the Treaty of Hudaibiyya)?
Perhaps he should travel a little less, and sit in one place, and read, and read, and read, and then think about what he has read, and allow it to enable him to make sense of what he has observed.
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